"The rollout was so bad, and I was appalled -- I don't understand how the president could have sat there and not been checking on that on a weekly basis," Frank told HuffPost during a July interview. "But frankly, he should never have said as much as he did, that if you like your current health care plan, you can keep it. That wasn't true. And you shouldn't lie to people. And they just lied to people."

. . .

"He should have said, 'Look, in some cases the health care plans that you've got are really inadequate, and in your own interests, we're going to change them,'" Frank said. "But that's not what he said."

A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that Obamacare continues to be widely misunderstood, with a majority of Americans unaware that the law allows consumers to choose between different private sector health plans. Lying about how the consumer protection standards would function, Frank said, created an unnecessary circus around a program that would help people get better coverage.

"Any smart political adviser would have said, 'Don't lie to people, because you're gonna get caught up in it and it's gonna have this tsunami that you now have,'"

This quote from a Redscape pundit on a different forum caught my eye

rickyp wrote:bbauska

This quote from a Redscape pundit on a different forum caught my eye

Because you care?
I'll clarify for you, of national insurance plans around the world, I'm only familiar with Canadian rates of payment.
On the other hand the rate of refusal of payment for claims to private American insurers is well documented. Its a policy of many to turn down a large percentage of claims when first received.

Most of the ACA’s provisions have taken effect. The economy looks drastically different than in March 2010 — more than 11 million jobs have been created, and the unemployment rate has been cut nearly in half.

rickyp wrote:Since you resurface this board, perhaps now is a good time to look at the premise. Obamacare will be good for the economy.

Turns out, yeah. despite the dire predictions of critics...

Most of the ACA’s provisions have taken effect. The economy looks drastically different than in March 2010 — more than 11 million jobs have been created, and the unemployment rate has been cut nearly in half.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/ec ... care-jobs/

Ray Jay wrote:

rickyp wrote:Since you resurface this board, perhaps now is a good time to look at the premise. Obamacare will be good for the economy.

Turns out, yeah. despite the dire predictions of critics...

Most of the ACA’s provisions have taken effect. The economy looks drastically different than in March 2010 — more than 11 million jobs have been created, and the unemployment rate has been cut nearly in half.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/ec ... care-jobs/

I don't see that quote in the article that you linked. In any case, both Reagan and Clinton created more jobs than that without Obamacare. Even Carter did better than that on an annualized basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_crea ... tial_terms

rickyp wrote:Since you resurface this board, perhaps now is a good time to look at the premise. Obamacare will be good for the economy.

Turns out, yeah. despite the dire predictions of critics...

Most of the ACA’s provisions have taken effect. The economy looks drastically different than in March 2010 — more than 11 million jobs have been created, and the unemployment rate has been cut nearly in half.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/ec ... care-jobs/

Only 4% of employers with at least 50 full-time workers said they shifted some staffers from full-time to part-time schedules so that they wouldn't qualify for health care. And another 4% said they were reducing the number of full-time employees they planned to hire because of the cost of health benefits.
"Despite all the debate about the so-called employer mandate...the actual employer response does not match the rhetoric," said Drew Altman, the foundation's president. "It's muted. It's modest. It cuts in different directions with no big shift to part-time employment."

Another Obamacare mandate looming on the horizon is the so-called Cadillac tax, a hefty levy on high-cost plans. Companies will have to pay a 40% tax on the value of policies above a certain cap, which in 2018, is $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for a family.

This law will be a fiscal disaster. The costs will skyrocket to the point where we will either have to reduce our military to the Coast Guard (only) or get rid of Obamacare

rickyp wrote:FATE

This law will be a fiscal disaster. The costs will skyrocket to the point where we will either have to reduce our military to the Coast Guard (only) or get rid of Obamacare

Well, if you review the prognostications you made on this board, starting with this one .. you'll find that the ACA has out performed your wild predictions. By quite a bit.
Still got a navy right?

Smallest since WW One

And, it's not been "good" for the economy. So, you lose

rickyp wrote:Fate

Smallest since WW One

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And why does that matter?
Isn't it the comparative strength to potential foes that matters...
Educate your self and have a look at this. You can see for your self that the US has 20 aircraft carriers...
The question is, is the enormous cost of the US military worth what it currently delivers.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/

fate

And, it's not been "good" for the economy. So, you lose

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Another baseless assertion from Fate...

Ray Jay wrote:My insurance has gone from $1,046 per month to $1,400 per month ... it's not a particularly good insurance plan ... no adult dental, high deductible and copays, limited prescription benefits. Last year our out of pocket was $6,000 on top of the above insurance cost.

Aren't you thankful for big government?