Ray Jay wrote:Of course Cain is innocent until proven guilty, but I'm getting that feeling of deja vu all over again. Politician is accused of something; politician denies it; more accusations; politician blames pick one (liberals, right wingers, racism, opportunism, people/media is anti-this or anti-that, etc.); turns out politician was lying.

Ann Curry, NBC News: “He’s not stepping down, continuing to suck the air out of the narrative the Republican party really wants to tell. Does the party now wish he would just go away?”

David Gregory, NBC News: “Well there is no, you know, grand wizard in the party right now who can really force the issue. I’ve talked to Cain’s advisers in Iowa, they think their support is still strong there, that it’s not falling. There may be cracks in the foundation according to pollsters I’m talking to, that his numbers may be starting to shift but right now core support remains there.”

So … what’s the implication here? That the Democratic Party has “grand wizards” that can boot candidates out of presidential races against their will?

That seems typical of liberals. They are the ones claiming Cain's success proves conservative racism and then they turn around and use initially anonymous sources as if they were the Gospel. I can't recall any similar attacks on a Democrat running for President

rickyp wrote:steve

That seems typical of liberals. They are the ones claiming Cain's success proves conservative racism and then they turn around and use initially anonymous sources as if they were the Gospel. I can't recall any similar attacks on a Democrat running for President

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Who's claiming Cains' success proves conservative racism? Names and sources please...

I'm sure there might be somebody but this is a new one to me... The only thing i've heard remotely along this lines is Anne Coulters, "Our Blacks are so much better than their blacks..."

Its certain to Cain's camp that Politico got the story from Perry's camp second hand.
The problem with the Liberal media angle you have is that the genesis of the issue seems to be republican. (Unless you count the genesis of the sory as Cain's harrassment and the initial charges.)

liberals say cain proves conservative racism

rickyp wrote:In this case, I haven't found much, except a reluctance on your part to rise to the challenge of proving your self. (having done so sucessfully once, doesn't alleviate the disciplined mind from always having to do so...)

rickyp wrote:Why is it foolish to ask you to substantiate your assertions?

Doctor Fate wrote:

rickyp wrote:Why is it foolish to ask you to substantiate your assertions?

Because I am able to do so, as I have demonstrated, no doubt, to your consternation. Or, have you forgotten that I quoted the sainted Nate Silver to prove you didn't know what you were talking about?

All I am saying here is if you want to challenge me, I'm not doing it for free.

Put up or shut up.

Some Obama critics feel they have been wrongly painted as racist for the crime of opposing Obama. Some of their critique has been racist, some has been reasonable, some has been unreasonable but what would be leveled at any Democrat. Either way, Cain offers absolution and liberation from feeling like a racist. For how can the party be racist if there’s a Black frontrunner? I think many in the party genuinely like him and are won over by his chutzpah and respect his journey from Morehouse to CEO. Fair enough. But the ascension of Cain does not prove that racism is over. Just because the party has a cool, new Black friend it’s excited about, doesn’t erase decades of condescending opinions and harmful policies toward Blacks.

(MORE: Racism is Fun?)

Alas Cain, in particular, is not the best person on which to hang your proof that your party isn’t racist. A Black man who denies that racism has an impact on today’s world gives great comfort to people who wish for the race conversation, as opposed to racism, to be over. A Black man who thinks if you don’t have a job, it’s your fault gives comfort to those on one side of the class war. A Black man who wraps himself in minstrelish tropes, like wanting the Secret Service to call him Cornbread and breaking into song at campaign events, surely gives comfort to those who are still not comfortable seeing Blacks as Alpha men. A Black man who can lead in the polls for weeks without seriously convincing anyone that he’s going to win is like having your chocolate and not getting fat. Or getting the walk-on-the-wild-side thrill of dating a Black guy without worrying that you’ll ever be pressured to marry him.

Even if he’s not the nominee, Cain has already proven himself a psychologically transformative candidate for the GOP because the confidence that comes from having “dated” him is like a shield off of which all accusations will bounce. It’s impenetrable to white guilt. We’re not racist, they can now say without fear. One of our best candidates is Black.

Because I am able to do so, as I have demonstrated, no doubt, to your consternation

And one link to a statement by some guy named Toure similar to your "assertion". ...IS that the extent of the evidence you have? Toure?

rickyp wrote:The fact that you once backed up an assertion deosn't mean you always can. That you seldom attempt to do so suggest to me that you don't like having to back up stuff you say.

In this case,. one article by a guy named Toure, is who you eventually sourced. And thats who i found too when I challenged you on your assertion. remember? .

But Steve, Toure does not stand for all Liberals. He's one guy, writing in TIME with one view point.

But that you could only find Toure as an original source demonstrates the fallacy in your assertion.

And I got that by asking you to back up your assertion. So I learned something.

KAREN GRIGSBY BATES: When he tells his story, Herman Cain says a lot of the same things that have been preached in millions of black families since, well, Emancipation: work hard, save your money, get as much education as you can and make sure your children do, too. Despite that, he's gotten scant traction with black voters. Harvard Law professor Randall Kennedy has written about race in politics and says that's not a huge surprise.

RANDALL KENNEDY: Black people know that if Herman Cain had his way, their lives would be diminished. And they intuit that Herman Cain's policies are against their interests. . .

BATES: Jack White writes political analysis for TheRoot.com. [Bates doesn't note she's also written her Obama praise for them.] He believes Cain and his white supporters have struck a bargain.

WHITE: Basically, Herman Cain tells them what they want to hear about blacks, and in turn, they embrace him and say, see, that proves we aren't racist. He's even willing to be a minstrel for them, referring to himself sometimes as Cornbread, or quoting his father as speaking ungrammatically, as saying, you know, things like I does not care.