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Post 27 Oct 2011, 9:11 am

Who are they?

Where will they go?
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Post 27 Oct 2011, 9:52 am

From the looks of things, parks in our nation's cities.
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Post 28 Oct 2011, 6:44 am

You define Romney as a moderate? I suppose amongst the republican candidates he and Huntsman are the moderates..

But, if there's one statement Romney made in the primary season with which he will be defined with in the coming election its "corporations are people too".
It remains to be seen how moderate he will appear to the majority of people. As diffuse and at time incoherent as the OWS is, it still enjoys majority sympathy (I don't think support is the right term to use for something that is little more than an expression, with no coherent leadership or plans...) . And that seems entriely juxtaposed to "Corporations are people too".
Romney will be challenged to demonstrate that he really is in touch with the populace and the huge swing to the right that the republican primary has taken will hamper him in this regard. (Although Obama has some splainin to do in this, he'll be seen as the lesser of two evils by moderates I'll bet).
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Post 31 Oct 2011, 3:57 pm

RUFFHAUS 8 wrote:Yes, Romney is a moderate. So was George Bush, and particularly so, his father before him. Romney's "corporations are people too" is a strength for him, not a liability. First of all it's accurate, but more importantly it's honest. Corporations employ millions of people.
That's not what it refers to. Corporations are legally people. They don't have the vote, but since a Supreme Court ruling in the 1880s, they have been seen to have many of the same rights as people in law.

To say 'corporations are people' in the loose sense you mean, is also to say that unions are people or that NGOs are people, or that governments are people.

As for your last part, in juxtaposition with the first, are you saying that Bush and Son were crypto-socialists, making out they were 'moderates' but really lefties in disguise?

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Post 01 Nov 2011, 6:39 am

It may be legally correct that corporations are seen by the courts to have many of the same rights as people.
However, when a "radical" event like OSW has the sympathy of more than half the US population, the statement has other connotations.
Where few have seen their actual incomes rise in the last 30 years, and where the fact of wealth and income disparities are part of the OWS theme.
And where the main theme of OWS is that large corporations (mostly Wall Street financials) have gamed the economic and political system to their advantage (and the disadvantage of most of the populace) siding so decidely with corporations is not going to win him favour. At least not with those who sympathize with OWS's themes.

I wouldn't be a moderate in the US Ruff. I'm socially too liberal. However I'm a conservative fiscally and I believe in a more conservative capitalism than what has evolved in the last 30 years in the US. You can beleive in building corporations as good corporate citizens who share a concern with their labour and employees about their society. with collaboration between labour and management (like germany) you can virtually end labour strife and yet enhance productivity. This might mean that management doesn't reap the enormous salaries and bonussess that executives of corporations accrue in the US. But the last decade hasn't proven that a system designed to maximize the return to senior executives is the best strategy for the well being of society. Its a radical form of capitalism, and it evolved becasue the governance of financial institutions was altered to allow dangerous risk taking that had to be back stopped by tax payers who depended on the security of the institutions in order for a modern society to function. Privatize profits. Socialize risk. (Interesting isn't it that the Wall Street tycoons needed, asked for, and accepted bail outs. They became socialists when required pretty easily didn't they?)
When Mitt says "corporations are people too" most people will hear his sympathy for the top executives. And many his sympathy for the financial institutions on Wall Street that so dangerously gamed the system and have never really paid for doing so... And thats going to be difficult for him to turn that perception around. Especially given his own track record in business...He was essentially in the business of bereaking up companies and selling consituent parts - whether it resulted in long term good for the local company and employees or not.