freeman3
If the political system is not responsive ... then you can win the argument and nothing changes.
Most Americans want sane gun control laws. But you can't get them.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/ ... index.html
A majority of Americans say it is the federal government’s responsibility to make sure all Americans have health care coverage. But its not there yet and you just took a big step back.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... democrats/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... al-issues/
But now the EPA has been defanged because of the ideology of Trump.
If the political system is so lacking in its ability to respond to voters...and instead responds to industry, then winning the war ideologically isn't enough. You have to crush it... And that's nigh impossible.
If the media environment is so poisoned that a third of the country is informed only by Fox and Breitbart and worse... then you never even get a chance to address those people.
If the political system entrenches political parties abilities to gerrymander, and depress voting ....then even winning the ideological battle isn't enough.
Then you've got the system of litigating every law for 10 years..meaning that even when a legislative battle is won .... the effects of the win are delayed and diminished...
rayjay
The Keystone pipelines primary purpose is to take Canadian oil to the gulf for export.
Off shore drilling, without the stringent regulation that is largely absent in the US, results in disasters like Deep Water Horizon. The economic and health impacts from such Deep water were huge. Estimates of lost tourism dollars were projected to cost the Gulf coastal economy up to 22.7 billion through 2013.
Coal Mining jobs were primarily lost to automation. Autonomous drills and trucks are the latest innovations that eliminate human requirements... The rest are market forces. Cheap clean gas....has largely driven the coal industry down.
. Your entire response was written from the individual stakeholders viewpoint and not from the general welfare of society.
Yet, most Americans believe that their environment needs protection. And the benefits to society as whole include decreased health care costs
And the problem that the US has, is that individual stakeholders hold far more sway, and have far more levers to pull in the American system then is deserved.
They can lobby at the legislative level. Both committees and in the general assemblies. Here politics becomes money. So, the money required to run... and political contributions go a long way. Legislation is almost always affected by this focused lobbying.
Then, the laws passed are litigated.... for years.
Then regulation is watered down by continuous lobbying of regulators. Till you end up with situations like the "self reporting and inspection" that precipitated the Deep Water Horizon accident.
And sometimes, the actual enforcement and regulation is beaten down by ideological stances or by industry lobbying.Example: Flint water crisis the first. Immigration enforcement at employers the second.
The system is sclerotic. And resistance to change. And the oligarchs like it that way.
Democrats have to do a better job of winning the war ideologically if we want more progressive policies which will surely benefit more Americans. You can't just say tax the rich or raise the minimum wage or promote unions. You have to show this is a fair way to set up a society. You need a lot of hard thinking to show why that is so and then able be to present it in a convincing fashion. Republicans have been winning on the argument that is fair for everyone to go out and compete, the winners get as much money as they can make, it is unfair for government to take too much of that, the government shouldn't regulate business too much, unions are bad, the unemployed are lazy, etc. I think there are convincing answers to these Neo-liberal economic policies and we need to start trying to win the ideological battle there if we want a more progressive agenda
If the political system is not responsive ... then you can win the argument and nothing changes.
Most Americans want sane gun control laws. But you can't get them.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/ ... index.html
A majority of Americans say it is the federal government’s responsibility to make sure all Americans have health care coverage. But its not there yet and you just took a big step back.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... democrats/
”In a Pew Research Center survey conducted last year, about three-quarters of U.S. adults (74%) said “the country should do whatever it takes to protect the environment,” compared with 23% who said “the country has gone too far in its efforts to protect the environment.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... al-issues/
But now the EPA has been defanged because of the ideology of Trump.
If the political system is so lacking in its ability to respond to voters...and instead responds to industry, then winning the war ideologically isn't enough. You have to crush it... And that's nigh impossible.
If the media environment is so poisoned that a third of the country is informed only by Fox and Breitbart and worse... then you never even get a chance to address those people.
If the political system entrenches political parties abilities to gerrymander, and depress voting ....then even winning the ideological battle isn't enough.
Then you've got the system of litigating every law for 10 years..meaning that even when a legislative battle is won .... the effects of the win are delayed and diminished...
rayjay
Look at the Keystone pipeline. Look at restrictions on off shore drilling or coal mining. (it may be the right policy from a climate change perspective, but you are killing the livelihoods of the people you claim to care about in the process.)
The Keystone pipelines primary purpose is to take Canadian oil to the gulf for export.
Off shore drilling, without the stringent regulation that is largely absent in the US, results in disasters like Deep Water Horizon. The economic and health impacts from such Deep water were huge. Estimates of lost tourism dollars were projected to cost the Gulf coastal economy up to 22.7 billion through 2013.
Coal Mining jobs were primarily lost to automation. Autonomous drills and trucks are the latest innovations that eliminate human requirements... The rest are market forces. Cheap clean gas....has largely driven the coal industry down.
. Your entire response was written from the individual stakeholders viewpoint and not from the general welfare of society.
Yet, most Americans believe that their environment needs protection. And the benefits to society as whole include decreased health care costs
And the problem that the US has, is that individual stakeholders hold far more sway, and have far more levers to pull in the American system then is deserved.
They can lobby at the legislative level. Both committees and in the general assemblies. Here politics becomes money. So, the money required to run... and political contributions go a long way. Legislation is almost always affected by this focused lobbying.
Then, the laws passed are litigated.... for years.
Then regulation is watered down by continuous lobbying of regulators. Till you end up with situations like the "self reporting and inspection" that precipitated the Deep Water Horizon accident.
And sometimes, the actual enforcement and regulation is beaten down by ideological stances or by industry lobbying.Example: Flint water crisis the first. Immigration enforcement at employers the second.
The system is sclerotic. And resistance to change. And the oligarchs like it that way.