freeman3 wrote:Trump is the Great Divider. He became involved in the Birther Movement to become a spokesman for a certain part of the Republican base that was resentful of immigrants and other racial groups. His very speech as a candidate was an extremely xenophobic speech designed to appeal to that part of the Republican base. He realized that the excitement from that part of the base could get him the nomination over tepid alternatives. From there...who knows what could happen.
Meh. This whole protest movement started on Obama's watch. Did Trump throw kerosene on it? You betcha.
However, how about Obama, the Great Uniter?
"The Cambridge Police acted stupidly."
Of course, he was wrong.
"If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon."
As if that had anything to do with it. The "suspect" was not white, was not a police officer, but that didn't stop Obama from throwing kerosene on it.
He said nothing helpful re Ferguson.
His comments at the Dallas officers' funeral, were these appropriate?
And so when African Americans from all walks of life, from different communities across the country, voice a growing despair over what they perceive to be unequal treatment; when study after study shows that whites and people of color experience the criminal justice system differently, so that if you’re black you’re more likely to be pulled over or searched or arrested, more likely to get longer sentences, more likely to get the death penalty for the same crime; when mothers and fathers raise their kids right and have “the talk” about how to respond if stopped by a police officer -- “yes, sir,” “no, sir” -- but still fear that something terrible may happen when their child walks out the door, still fear that kids being stupid and not quite doing things right might end in tragedy -- when all this takes place more than 50 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we cannot simply turn away and dismiss those in peaceful protest as troublemakers or paranoid. (Applause.) We can’t simply dismiss it as a symptom of political correctness or reverse racism. To have your experience denied like that, dismissed by those in authority, dismissed perhaps even by your white friends and coworkers and fellow church members again and again and again -- it hurts. Surely we can see that, all of us.
I would say "No." If he wanted to make a broader speech about race, the funeral service was not the place to do it.
Every so often he throws throw red meat to that base to keep them happy. These comments about black athletes disrespecting the anthem are another example. But that base is only about 30%. The question in 2020 whether more Republican moderate voters will decide to not vote the party Republican line and reject Trump's divisiveness.
He's not a conservative.
Furthermore, this issue is a 30% issue: 30% (at best) support your position. Most people think this is not the right way to protest.
Anyway, I see nothing wrong with black athletes deciding they are not going to stand when they feel the Nation is not living to its ideals and they believe black lives are not being considered of equal value in our society, as evidenced by all the police shootings of black people. People are free to dislike them for it. At the very least it calls attention to the issue. And if a person thinks the country is doing something fundamentally wrong...refusing to mindlessly salute its symbols is a time-honored way of protest.
Sorry, but "all the police shootings of black people" is a deeply red herring.
Why is the national anthem played in public settings? Obviously, it is a way to instill patriotism and love of country. The flag and national anthem are symbols of what our country represents, that it is a democracy, that we fought two world wars and helped to defeat Communism. They represent everything that our country has done and what it is now.There is a lot of good there..but it ain't all good. And while extreme not honoring the nation's symbols is a dramatic way of a person showing that they will not fully salute the nation's symbols when there is something deeply troubling going on.
Then win arguments based on facts, not mindlessly taking a knee while symbolically giving the finger to those who have served and sacrificed.