Maybe lots of Canadians hate their country, but that’s not the standard in the US.
Frankly, I don't feel any problem if people don't want to stand for the UK national anthem. It was played at the London NFL games, as guests.bbauska wrote:To answer Owen's comment about foreign enemies...
England was a foreign enemy. (US War for Independence, War of 1812)
Players stood for the anthem of a foreign nation that was once an enemy. They then kneel on foreign soil. Considering your comment on the CSA implications, do you feel the same way about "God Save the Queen"?
The controversy is, at its core, a question of hermeneutics
(September 29, 2017) - In the wake of the ongoing controversy between the NFL and President Trump, new Morning Consult brand tracking data shows that the NFL's reputation among Americans is starting to decline, especially among Trump voters.
Morning Consult conducts daily brand tracking on nearly 1000 companies and products by surveying 5000 adults in the U.S. every day. Results shown below reflect a seven day moving average and have a margin of error of +/- 3%. More details on methodology are available below.
I mean the Union Flag as in the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, that some people call the Union Jack (which is only correct if it is flying from a ship).dag hammarsjkold wrote:Danivon
What do you mean by Union Flags exactly? As in the North who fought against the South during the Civil War? If so, that would be our current flag minus a few stars. That flag flies everywhere, especially on civic buildings.
By Irish Nationalists and Republicans (who tend to be Catholic or from a Catholic background), it is perceived poorly. Personally I think it is overused over there, and deliberately so to pander to the Unionists.I'm missing your point but no matter, it led me to contemplate the Union Jack being flown in Northern Ireland and how that symbol is perceived by Catholics who live there.
I don’t know. However, it is in the league rules that players MUST stand for the anthem.
Sassenach wrote:I don’t know. However, it is in the league rules that players MUST stand for the anthem.
It's been a while since I've posted here so apologies for dragging up something that was posted weeks ago. I think I probably ought to point out though that this is a classic example of 'fake news'. It was widely circulated on the internet a few weeks back when the protests were hogging the headlines but is in fact wholly fictitious. No such rule exists.
But honestly, who cares if it does exist ? The 1st Amendment guarantees a right to free speech, and if a corporation funding political campaigns is 'speech' then I fail to see how an athlete taking a knee doesn't fall into the same category. Granted, not even Trump has tried to claim that the NFL protesters have been breaking the law, but the point is that they're engaging in an activity which is fully in keeping with the spirit of what the Constitution exists to protect. In doing so they're actually honouring America, because the great thing about America is not its symbols, it's the vibrant democratic spirit of its people.
Besides which, they've all made it quite clear from the outset that this is not about disrespecting the military or anybody who has served in it. Exactly how many times must they make this point before it will be taken seriously ? The whole thing seems like phony and concocted outrage to me.
danivon wrote:I do think it is fake outrage for a large part.
When Kaepernick first decided not to stand for the anthem (in the 2016 pre-season games), he sat on the bench. And then a veteran contacted him, and they met up, and he was advised that kneeling was more respectful, as it is what you do often when remembering a lost comrade, and it is a sign of submission. So he changed it. Quite deliberately he changed it to be respectful to the military, when all along the protest was about something else anyway.
And there was a fuss last year, but not as much as this year when the President waded in and tried to make out that it was a protest against him (it wasn't), as well as being against the military. And so the "right" had to pile on, because US politics is a team sport with fans more loyal than in any other sport. So you had the spectacle of Pence travelling hundreds of miles to attend a game and then walk out in protest of the protest, and fly back to LA (all on tax dollars), to make a big gesture about respecting the military.
danivon wrote:As I understand it, while ratings took a hit at the start of the season, they are recovering.
It may also be a bit of an assumption that NFL fans are quite so "red". It's not NASCAR.