Is this Congress' responsibility to forward legislation?
President Trump retains DACA executive order for 6 months to allow congress to create legislation regarding immigration. Good idea?
freeman3 wrote:Bottom line: it's immoral to deports kids who came over with their parents and have been here a long time. There was overwhelming support for the DACA because people saw the simple justice of it. And that is why Obama did something about it because the merits are so clear.
Why worry about the Constitutional question if the action is correct and Obama's order has not been overturned? I am not going to worry about abstract constitutional questions when people are going to suffer.
You might legitimately tighten up the program to make sure it includes only people who came over as kids and have been here a long enough time to become accustomed to American life...but deportation of kids who have been here many years is just wrong.
Kicking it to Congress was just a ploy to avoid political fall-out. My guess...is that he hopes that Congress will not come with s DACA plan or he will trade that...for border funding. Otherwise, he will veto a Congressionsl fix.
Another bad moment in Trump's presidency.
freeman3 wrote:Likely a court is going to find that DACA represents a legitimate exercise of executive discretion in deciding who to deport. If there are 13 million illegals in the country, the executive branch can exercise its discretion to not use scarce resources to deport the lowest priority illegal population so that it can focus on other parts of the illegal population to deport that it places a higher priority on deporting.
In any case, this was not a decision that Trump had to make. No reason to disturb Obama's decision when it is clearly the right thing to do.
It's the right thing to do and Obama's executive order has a legitimate argument under the Constitution. Good enough for me.
Dreamers are not eligible for the program if they have committed any crimes. I guess you're talking about once in the program? Unless you have evidence that they commit crimes higher than the US population I am really not sure that is relevant. If they commit a crime, they are out of the program.
You can tighten up borders without deporting kids who had no say in coming here, have grown up here, and would be adversely affected by deportation. There is a reason why DACA is so popular. The justice in allowing these kids to stay is clear.
Trump had an opportunity to say that he is the president for everyone...not just white nationalists. He blew it. Again.
freeman3 wrote:I guess I disagree that it's a reasonable compromise, George. I think they what they did is create a political chip they can play. They will hold these DACA kids hostage, as they leverage them to get votes for R.A.I.S.E. and building a wall.
Cynical. Machiavellian. Immoral. Not reasonable.
No, it's not "immoral" to follow the law
rickyp wrote:FateNo, it's not "immoral" to follow the law
Have their never been laws which are immoral?
Freeman is stating that he finds the actions that would be the consequence of enforcing current immigration laws to be immoral. He stands with the vast majority of the populace in the US, BTW.
If enforcing immigration laws against DACA kids is immoral, and Congress will not act to create a moral and just law... then the Executive Action taken by Obama was a moral act. Ending it without proposing a permanent solution that can be encoded in law is cowardly and immoral.
As for enforcement of an immoral law... where would you stand if you were alive in 1857 and a runaway slave ended up on your doorstep in Massachussetts? Would you return them to their "Lawful" owner upon request. Because enforcing the law must come before anything... Or take a moral stand for freedom?
The debate over DACA isn't that far from that issue .
freeman3 wrote:According to the following poll--which I saw cited by the Washington Examiner--76% of those polled think that Dreamers should be allowed to become citizens or permanent residents if they meet certain requirements. Only 15% percent say they should be deported.
As for illegal immigrants, 70% of those polled said that they should be allowed to stay and become legal residents or citizens if they meet certain requirements. Only 22% wanted them deported.
I would say that Trump's position--and DF's--is pretty far out of the mainstream.
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/u ... _v1_TB.pdf