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Post 13 Jul 2017, 4:58 pm

Perhaps you could provide similar examples where the campaign of a US presidential candidate tried to obtain dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government as part of an attempt by that foreign government to get that candidate elected. I'll wait...
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Post 13 Jul 2017, 5:01 pm

Wikileaks said it had emails pertaining to Hillary Clinton...on June 12. That's three days after the Donald, Jr. meeting with Veselnitskaya for those scoring at home...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... an-assange
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Post 13 Jul 2017, 8:40 pm

freeman3 wrote:Perhaps you could provide similar examples where the campaign of a US presidential candidate tried to obtain dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government as part of an attempt by that foreign government to get that candidate elected. I'll wait...

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ibery.html[/url]

Ng, a Macau businessman with ties to the Chinese government, was accused of funneling over $1 million in illegal foreign donations to support Bill Clinton's reelection campaign in 1996.
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Post 14 Jul 2017, 2:12 am

bbauska wrote:
freeman3 wrote:Perhaps you could provide similar examples where the campaign of a US presidential candidate tried to obtain dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government as part of an attempt by that foreign government to get that candidate elected. I'll wait...

[url]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ibery.html[/url]

Ng, a Macau businessman with ties to the Chinese government, was accused of funneling over $1 million in illegal foreign donations to support Bill Clinton's reelection campaign in 1996.


But, money is not "dirt!"

And, it's not like a good portion of the purpose of the CGI was international influence-peddling, right? People were going to die if the CGI was shut down. Then, Hillary lost and, all of the sudden, the CGI was no longer vital.

Weird.
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Post 14 Jul 2017, 6:35 am

It's hard for me to imagine that POTUS was not aware of a meeting among his son, very influential son-in-law, and head of campaign with other parties. At least the campaign head would know about the rules ...
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Post 14 Jul 2017, 8:17 am

Well, I don't know enough about story you linked to assess it, Brad. Some purported Clinton associate funneled money from this guy to the DNC and Clinton Defense Fund. There might be impropriety I suppose by the Clinton and /or DNC about making sure the money is coming from American sources.

But there is no linkage between the money and any influence gained or that the Clintons actively solicited foreign money. Completely different from Donald, Jr. willing to take help from a foreign power. And the certainty of it. There are no real questions. He was told that the Russian government was trying to help Trump, he was told he was meeting with a Russian government attorney, he was told that he was to receive Clinton dirt. And he authenticated the emails.
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Post 14 Jul 2017, 8:26 am

Yes, RJ, I think most reasonable think people would find that the president knew about the meeting. And as you said Manafort would know that what they were seeking to do was illegal. One would think that he would have told Trump et al. that they were violating campaign laws if they accepted help from Russia. That's a supposition of course-certainly not as clear an inference as Trump knowing about the meeting--, but it would be kind of shocking that a veteran campaigner would not have said something about it.
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Post 14 Jul 2017, 8:30 am

That's what is kind of shocking about their defense. Yeah, we were willing to violate campaign laws to win. So what? Anybody would do it...

Well, I guess they were there only to listen, right?. So...if it was really good dirt you violate the law and accept and if it's not that good you decide to not be bought by a foreign power? How noble...
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Post 14 Jul 2017, 12:31 pm

freeman3 wrote:That's what is kind of shocking about their defense. Yeah, we were willing to violate campaign laws to win. So what? Anybody would do it...

Well, I guess they were there only to listen, right?. So...if it was really good dirt you violate the law and accept and if it's not that good you decide to not be bought by a foreign power? How noble...


I said before the election and I will say it now: worst two candidates ever. Furthermore, the least trustworthy duo in my memory.