geojanes wrote:Doctor Fate wrote:If Jefferson saw today's Democratic Party, he'd become a Republican.
Absolutely no way. He'd be a libertarian, or he'd be working toward revolution.
Nah, he had more sense than that.
geojanes wrote:Doctor Fate wrote:If Jefferson saw today's Democratic Party, he'd become a Republican.
Absolutely no way. He'd be a libertarian, or he'd be working toward revolution.
GMTom wrote:doesn't the State have an obligation to repair the damage?Shouldn't the State as a whole take responsibility for its misdeeds and attempt to repair some of the damage through positive actions and policies?
NO
The state needed to correct the wrong and make all people equal under the law. The courts handle any illegalities not the state trying to "correct" past wrongs, in their attempts to try and "correct" things, the state had created a reverse discrimination that only created more animosity between races. If you want more positive changes then why not have the state fix the other problems you liberals have spelled out? If they can force anti-discrimination then they can force things like ensuring all movies and television shows MUST have equal numbers of all races in them. Force the NBA to have equal numbers of white players, force music recording companies to stop any negative black stereotypes (no gang references, no negative light on women or blacks, no gangster references, no swearing, etc) Require we elect a black president every other term, the list goes on and on. No doubt you would not want any of these done but you allow reverse discrimination? Why is THAT ok but these others not???
Not really analogous. Lincoln was in the Republican Party. Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist, later Democratic-Republican. The Democratic-Republicans split into the Democrats and National Republicans in the 1820s with Jackson. The National Republicans led to the Whigs, the Whigs led to the Republicans. It is hard to say which of the two branches of the old DR party Jefferson would have remained in.Doctor Fate wrote:danivon wrote:If Lincoln saw today's Republican Party, he'd be ashamed.
"I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we begin by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty-to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy."
If Jefferson saw today's Democratic Party, he'd become a Republican.
The state needed to correct the wrong and make all people equal under the law.
If they do not give a position, then their opinion matters little to them.
.The courts handle any illegalities not the state trying to "correct" past wrongs, in their attempts to try and "correct" things, the state had created a reverse discrimination that only created more animosity between races
freeman3 wrote:And DF's continuing to ignore the fact that Southern racists leaped into the Republican Party allowing it to dominate the South after 1968 is astonishing to me.
freeman3 wrote:And DF's continuing to ignore the fact that Southern racists leaped into the Republican Party allowing it to dominate the South after 1968 is astonishing to me. Trying to say that the current Democratic Party is the one to be concerned about with regard to race is laughable.
Now, normally my white skin would admittedly preclude me from even suggesting that a black activist should hang up the megaphone, but Khogali has made a habit of directing violent, hateful language towards people with white skin, so much so that I feel comfortable calling her out. She once mused that just by having white skin, white people are sub-human. She tried to qualify that statement by saying white people did not have a high amount of melanin, which prevents them from absorbing light, and with it a sense of moral clarity.
Now, maybe if this was her only controversial statement all could be forgiven, but this is a pattern of hate that can't be ignored any longer. In April 2016 Khogali tweeted "Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz Plz Plz."
A Black Lives Matter activist, who also claims to be a pre-school teacher, gave a fiery speech at an anti-Trump rally in Seattle. “We need to start killing people,” she said to a smattering of applause. “First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die.”
The unidentified woman also had choice words to say about white people and reparations.
“White people, give your @#$! money, your @#$! house, your @#$! property, give it @#$! all,” she said during Sunday’s protest. “You need to reparate[sic] black and indigenous people right now.”
freeman3 wrote:You make some reasonable points in your response to me, DF. I don't have time to response to either Brad or your post in detail right now. But it is disappointing that you do not recognize as historical facts the following: the Republican Party was dead in the South from the 1860s until the late 1960s because Lincoln freed the slaves, (2) the Republican Party came to dominate the South because the Democratic Party under Johnson passed the civils right bill in 1964 and Voting Right bill and Nixon persuaded Southern voters to switch over to the Republican Party by promising he would be less aggressive on integration. The basis for current domination of the Republican Party of the South is historically rooted in racism. That's not an "alternative fact"--that's a fact, as in that is the truth.
Let me help you.
A. The US government should be enacting policies that give a race of people preferential treatment in hiring, education, and welfare assistance.
B. The US government should NOT be enacting policies that give a race of people preferential treatment in hiring, education, and welfare assistance.
Choose one. Just give a letter. A or B.
As for me... I choose B