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Post 04 May 2011, 4:42 pm

The conventional big name candidates have chosen to skip the SC GOP debate that's being aired live on Fox News. Most experts especially given the Usama kill this week think it was smart for the top tier candidates to not debate at this point.

However, could the law of unintended consequences kick them in the pants for this assumption? I'd not bet money one way or the other, but many independents and tea baggers are as hopped up as ever. The budget is a HUGE issue and millions are looking for someone who will lead America out of it's fiscal mess. Given that the political establishment was on trial in the 2010 elections, can the favored establishment candidates sit on their haunches while the minor candidates take center stage?

Who are the minor candidates in this debate?:

Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson
Godfather's Pizza Magnate Herman Cain
Texas Congressman Ron Paul
Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty.
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Post 07 May 2011, 10:13 am

So I gave in an watched it on YouTube. The Paulbots were annoying.
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Post 09 May 2011, 11:13 am

I'm wondering if it's a progressive hearing loss problem, but Ron Paul's vocal quality is becoming worse. I've got to wonder how well he will do recruiting new people if they can't tolerate listening to him.

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Post 09 May 2011, 9:36 pm

Juan Williams: Here’s a news bulletin — it is becoming increasingly clear that we are living in a time when Republican politics are being shaped by a 75-year-old, 12-term Texas congressman with a son in the Senate. And incredibly, it is no longer out of the realm of possibility that this outcast of the GOP establishment may win the party’s presidential nomination.

If you have not been paying attention, it is time to look around and realize that we are living in the political age of Rep. Ron Paul.

A CNN/Opinion Research poll released late last week shows Paul faring the best against President Obama of any potential Republican candidate. He trails the president by only 7 points, 52-45 percent, in a head-to-head matchup. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee trails by 8 points, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney down 11 points to Obama.

In February, Paul won the presidential straw poll at the Conservative Action Conference for the second straight year.

Last Thursday, the day of the first GOP debate, one of Paul’s fabulously-labeled “money bombs” exploded with the announcement of $1 million in contributions for the Paul campaign.

The Tea Party, which drove the GOP to claim a majority of the House in the mid-term elections, grew largely out of the ashes of his 2008 presidential campaign, which emphasized limited government and a return to constitutional principles. Since then, the Tea Party has bullied the Republican leadership in the House to force budget cuts at the risk of shutting down the government and collectively become the most persistent critic of the Obama presidency on financial regulatory reform and health care.
The roots of all of this are in the libertarian mind of Rep. Paul.

At last week’s debate, put on by my other employer, Fox News Channel, I was struck by the libertarian flair the iconoclast injected into the evening. First, his presence along with another libertarian Republican — former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson — allowed for Republicans nationwide to witness a debate in which strong arguments for immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan came from the right. But that was just the start. There are instances where Paul’s views make the Republican establishment want to scream.

For example, I asked him about his stated concern that Israel will launch a unilateral military strike against Iran. He replied that Israel had become too dependent on U.S. military and foreign aid and that it should be responsible for its own security and sovereignty. In the past he has blasted the “neoconservatives” and their influence on U.S. foreign policy.

He has been adamantly opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since the beginning and has called for an immediate pullout of all U.S. troops. He rails against the American “empire” and argues that U.S. spending on a global military presence should be cut.

Paul’s thinking is also having an impact on conservative views about domestic policy.

Even when he called for legalization of marijuana, cocaine and heroin at the debate it did not elicit hooting but cheers from South Carolina’s famously right-wing Republicans.

Ron Paul’s son, Rand Paul, was elected as a senator from Kentucky in 2010 with 55 percent of the vote. Paul is a chip off the old block — espousing many of the same libertarian views as his father. Because of this, he has become one of the most distinctive newcomers in the United States Senate.

It was almost exactly four years ago when Ron Paul sparred with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani in a 2008 Republican presidential primary debate. Paul said about the role of U.S. policy in bringing about the 9/11 attacks: “They attack us because we’ve been over there, we’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve been in the Middle East. I think Reagan was right. We don’t understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics.”

Giuliani shot back: “That’s an extraordinary statement of someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn’t really mean that.”

Who could have guessed that, four years later, Giuliani would be off the stage while the persistent Paul is growing, exhibiting more and more power in Republican politics, shaping the GOP debates and in the absence of any strong establishment candidate, looking like a strong contender for the party’s 2012 nomination?
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Post 10 May 2011, 6:34 am

I watched the GOP debate and the after-show.

You forgot to mention Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was there too.

I liked Ron Paul the best out of the bunch, but he does look and sound really old. I think his son should take over the family business and run for president! It was good to have Gary Johnson there too, it makes Ron Paul look like he's not the one and only libertarian in the GOP, and that not all GOP members are socially conservative.

Fox News had a focus group at the end of the show and spun the debate as a huge win for Herman Cain. (Which I don't believe it was) I think it's ridiculous to think Herman Cain would win, the guy has ZERO experience, he's never held any kind of public office, though he is a smooth talker which is why I guess the focus group liked him. Heck, they should have Glenn Beck run for president, that would make for some good debates! :)