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Post 25 May 2016, 7:11 am

You are painting with a broad brush. I want parents to support the school financially for each child that it is attending. There should be some government support, but also parental.

Why are you against people paying for some of their children's education? Don't you think that parents who have a payment will be more attentive to what they are paying for?

Personal responsibility does not trump everything, but neither does it mean nothing. Agree?
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Post 25 May 2016, 8:35 am

How dare anyone suggest anyone but the government be "responsible" for anything!
I certainly "get" why we want public education and am not suggesting we should discontinue that but bbauska raises a very good point, parents need to take more responsibility and in fact would likely do so if they were more invested into it. Why do our kids need food that is better than we eat ourselves? Let's not forget they can bring a bag lunch from home if it's not to their liking. Why should a school be expected to serve gourmet caliber foods? Get the kids nutritious food at a decent price, try to make it taste as good as you can and be done with it. If those kids decide pizza is better at the church nearby, then let them have at it.
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Post 25 May 2016, 8:45 am

Or take away choice, and close the campus. (a common play to enforce political desires)
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Post 25 May 2016, 9:19 am

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Don't you think that parents who have a payment will be more attentive to what they are paying for?


No.
Parents pay enormous attention to their kids. Or they don't.
These days helicoptor parents are more common then the ones who don't give a damn.
Poor parents, maybe working two jobs at minimum wage, are probably a great deal more stressed for time. And they are the ones who would appreciate their children getting a proper meal.
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Post 25 May 2016, 9:24 am

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Is the US paying too little or is France paying too much for their lunches so children can have eclairs and table cloths and the like?
I'm going to say France pays too much!
Not "best practice" but rather overboard and excessive


well, you get what you pay for...

Researchers have pointed to another cause for childhood obesity, the school lunch! In fact, school lunches have gotten so bad that they’re impacting today’s obesity rates. A survey taken from 1973 to 1974 compared to a survey taken in 2003 to 2004 showed that the prevalence of obese school-aged children jumped from 4% to a disturbing 18.8%!
A recent study found that students who regularly ate school lunches were 29% more likely to be obese compared to those kids who brought their lunches from home.*
There are many factors contributing to fattening and unhealthy school lunches. This article won’t go into all the factors or politics involved, but I wanted to mention a few things. One major factor is budget. It can be challenging to come up with school lunches that are both inviting and healthy, while keeping prices low. The unfortunate result is that many schools rely on high energy, yet low nutrient value foods to fill up their students.

http://draxe.com/childhood-obesity-and-school-lunches/
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Post 25 May 2016, 11:25 am

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2014/06/12-public-vs-private-school-dynarski

well, you get what you pay for...

Apparently you do. A grade level higher for one. 9% increased college enrollment for a second...

Tables in the Lubienskis’ book show huge differences in public and private school test scores. Catholic and Lutheran schools have fourth-grade NAEP scores that are 10 points higher than public schools. Because of how the NAEP is scored, this difference is approximately an entire grade level. Fourth graders in public schools are scoring about what third graders in private schools score. Differences between public and private school students are even larger in eighth grade, ranging from 14 to 20 points.

The DC voucher study cited above found that using vouchers increased high school graduation by 21 percentage points. Applicants for those vouchers were low-income (families below 185 percent of the poverty level were eligible), and nearly all were African-American. That study did not follow students long enough to know whether students went on to college. However, the study of the New York voucher program cited above found that using vouchers increased college enrollment by 9 percentage points for African-Americans.
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Post 25 May 2016, 11:37 am

The problem with this turning into a public v private school issue is that the forum is about a Church giving pizza away, and the lunchlady union got it's nose out of joint.

I say give the kids a choice. They chose pizza. Who cares what the reason a church is donating pizza? Are they doing anything wrong? No, they aren't.
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Post 25 May 2016, 11:57 am

bbauska wrote:Regarding the money for schools:

Just think how much money a school district would have if parents of students had to pay to attend. There would be even MORE money for them. Not to mention more parental interest in the quality of the product being purchased.

Surely if parents had to pay to attend, they'd want to reduce taxes that go towards education. As would those who don't have kids.
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Post 25 May 2016, 12:01 pm

danivon wrote:
bbauska wrote:Regarding the money for schools:

Just think how much money a school district would have if parents of students had to pay to attend. There would be even MORE money for them. Not to mention more parental interest in the quality of the product being purchased.

Surely if parents had to pay to attend, they'd want to reduce taxes that go towards education. As would those who don't have kids.


Unlike the choices of the current situation...

But to your comment: Because they don't have to pay to attend, they are fine with it? Quite the magnanimous, charitable belief system, eh?
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Post 25 May 2016, 12:10 pm

bbauska wrote:
danivon wrote:
bbauska wrote:Regarding the money for schools:

Just think how much money a school district would have if parents of students had to pay to attend. There would be even MORE money for them. Not to mention more parental interest in the quality of the product being purchased.

Surely if parents had to pay to attend, they'd want to reduce taxes that go towards education. As would those who don't have kids.


Unlike the choices of the current situation...

But to your comment: Because they don't have to pay to attend, they are fine with it? Quite the magnanimous, charitable belief system, eh?
thanks for the snark.
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Post 25 May 2016, 12:24 pm

Your welcome.
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Post 25 May 2016, 12:27 pm

bbauska wrote:Your welcome.

"You are", or "you're", not "your". I learned that at school. :angel:
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Post 25 May 2016, 12:33 pm

from his own posting:
One major factor is budget. It can be challenging to come up with school lunches that are both inviting and healthy, while keeping prices low.


Thanks for supporting exactly what I said (and you disagreed with)
And if parents actually cared about their kids they would make certain they had good lunches available, the kids don't need to buy a lunch now do they?Maybe talk to your good buddy Michelle Obama, this is one of her pet projects I thought?
also, trying to blame kids for being fat on school lunches is a bit of a stretch, again, parents need to take some blame and take on a role in their child's well being. Funny thing, someone here thinks government is the answer to everything and when it fails (like here) then simply throw more money at it! Government involvement is not the answer, the real answer is less involvement by the government while not just allowing parents more involvement but rather demanding more parental involvement!!!
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Post 25 May 2016, 1:41 pm

danivon wrote:
bbauska wrote:Your welcome.

"You are", or "you're", not "your". I learned that at school. :angel:


Thank you for the correction. You're correct. Mustn't type and rush off to lunch w/ my bride.
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Post 25 May 2016, 4:13 pm

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And if parents actually cared about their kids they would make certain they had good lunches available

So poor people, perhaps single parents, struggling on subsistence wages don't care about their children if they can't afford a healthy lunch?