rickyp wrote:Fate
On the other hand, not only did you provide no link, but you did not link your conclusion, that a WRONGLY purged persons do not have their provisional ballots counted.
Its from Wikipedia...
Your justification for voter ID laws is that even one illegal vote is too much.
I don't care how little there is. Zero is the acceptable level.
Here's what we know.
In the 2004 election, at least 1.9 million provisional ballots were cast, and 676,000 were never counted due to various states' rules on counting provisional ballots.[5]
What are the odds that among the 676,000 provisonal ballots not counted that 1 (your standard for voter ID laws) is wrongly denied?
1. That would not be voter fraud, which is what I was addressing.
2. You have no evidence that anyone was WRONGLY disqualified after casting a provisional ballot. In particular given the topic, you've shown no evidence that someone who had ID and didn't bring it or someone who was eligible and just needed to complete something to get an ID has been denied the right to vote.
That's all swell, but it's not evidence that someone who is eligible is denied the right to vote. Furthermore, people need to take some kind of initiative in life. There is no Constitutional guarantee that you can lay in bed and have someone deliver ID, a ballot, and three hot meals a day.
Good night! Take some responsibility. Participate in the process or shut up and take it.
I'm tired of the whiner party.
I'm actually with you on the concept of voter ID Fate. I just don't believe for a second that in the US the laws are being fairly administrated, or that everyone has easy access to the legitimate forms of ID .
Here's some evidence on hoe voter rolls are purged... ...and there's plenty more...
Well then, why don't you have a nice cup of shut up. After all, you can't do anything but whine and moan about it since you're Canadian.
A working democracy should at least have an independent electoral commission that maintains a modern voters list, and treats voters identically when they show up to vote.
Thats not the case.
"Independent" is a farce. Every commission has a bent.
Furthermore, States have their own systems. Don't like it? Stay in Canada.
The notion that voter ID laws are improving the apparent legitimacy of elections is diminished greatly by the almost complete lack of evidence for voter fraud that suppossedly motivates the ID laws
What motivates Canada's voter ID laws? Love of ID?
On the other hand the evidence that disenfranchisement occurs is great. And provisional ballots do not in any way ensure that a legitimate voter cannot be disenfranchised. After all, in most cases, once they have placed the provisional ballot they have no way to actually find out if their ballot was counted.. And many weren't.
Actually, you've made innuendos, but provided no actual evidence.
Oh Canada!You must prove your identity and address to register and vote in a federal election. Here are your ID options when you are voting in person – at an Elections Canada office, at advance polls or on election day:
That's just disenfranchisement right there.