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Post 24 Feb 2016, 2:11 pm

dag hammarsjkold wrote:I know the fat lady ain't singing yet but I sure am enjoying watching the GOP sh%t their pants. How many more states does Trump need to win before she does begin to sing I wonder?

You know some parties would suffer defeat from a maverick character like Trump and think to themselves, maybe we suck and need to completely reorganize how we roll. Nope, not the Grand Ol Party. Not Karl Rove and friends. Not even the Trump X factor will wake these idiots up to the reality that their services are no longer valued by the majority of Republican leaning voters.

The hubris of the RNC knows no bounds apparently. And that tells me there is so much money behind this party that they simply can not change. The old guard will simply refuse to get out of the way to make room for change no matter how many decades go by without a presidential win. They deserve themselves I suppose.

In some ways I hope they never wake from their dream.


Perhaps the GOP realizes it needs to change, but is unclear of the right direction. Perhaps it realizes that Trump's direction is a one way trip to disaster.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 2:45 pm

Ray Jay wrote:Perhaps the GOP realizes it needs to change, but is unclear of the right direction. Perhaps it realizes that Trump's direction is a one way trip to disaster.


He represents the end of the GOP as we know it.

To wargame it: let's say Trump gets the nomination and is somehow elected. There is, I think, little chance of him not being primaried in 2020. My guess: four years of the cretin will be enough and he'll lose the nomination. However, as a sitting President, he'd have considerable leverage. He would likely run independent.

That sort of thing could rend the Party in two.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 2:52 pm

How many more states does Trump need to win before she does begin to sing I wonder?


He actually only has 82 delegates at the moment.
Having said that, he should have the nomination in the bag by March 22 and the Arizona primary. If not sooner.
So maybe the primary system will be changed? An interesting story about its pitfalls follows.

https://newrepublic.com/article/130396/ ... ing-system

Sequential voting combined with plurality wins makes for random, unreliable results.


The primary system seems to make every candidate in the GOP more extreme in a bid for attention with the hard core...
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:01 pm

rickyp wrote:
How many more states does Trump need to win before she does begin to sing I wonder?


He actually only has 82 delegates at the moment.
Having said that, he should have the nomination in the bag by March 22 and the Arizona primary. If not sooner.
So maybe the primary system will be changed? An interesting story about its pitfalls follows.

https://newrepublic.com/article/130396/ ... ing-system

Sequential voting combined with plurality wins makes for random, unreliable results.


The primary system seems to make every candidate in the GOP more extreme in a bid for attention with the hard core...


The only sense in which Trump is "extreme" is immigration.

Well, and narcissism.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:08 pm

go back to page 6 of this thread.

But before you do guess who said:
Announcements impending
Jeb Bush,
Bobby Jindal,
Donald Trump, won't run


And who responded....

Trump will not run and I could not be happier.




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The only sense in which Trump is "extreme" is immigration.

His policies are not terribly well illustrated ...
But here's one
Trump says that he favors a 45 percent tariff on Chinese exports to the United States to give "American workers a level playing field."[6]

well there goes the standard of living in the US as no one can afford to shop at WalMart anymore...
His position on Birthright citizenship?
Or this ..
Trump contends that global warming is "a total hoax",[62] and has joked that "the concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive


But you're right. Mostly he's just an unhinged narcissist.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:22 pm

rickyp wrote:go back to page 6 of this thread.

But before you do guess who said:
Announcements impending
Jeb Bush,
Bobby Jindal,
Donald Trump, won't run


And who responded....

Trump will not run and I could not be happier.


Only a Canadian could take pride in predicting Trump would run.

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The only sense in which Trump is "extreme" is immigration.

His policies are not terribly well illustrated ...
But here's one
Trump says that he favors a 45 percent tariff on Chinese exports to the United States to give "American workers a level playing field."[6]


Meh, okay, he's protectionist. That's not a terribly conservative policy. So, if it's "extremist," it's also pretty liberal.

well there goes the standard of living in the US as no one can afford to shop at WalMart anymore...
His position on Birthright citizenship?


That's not a Presidential election issue. "I promise to keep non-qualified people from running for President" --said no one ever.

Or this ..
Trump contends that global warming is "a total hoax",[62] and has joked that "the concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive


Again, not extreme. What is extreme is trying to destroy the economy to "stop" something that's not happening. I would invite the Socialist Party candidate to run on "We must stop global warming even if it means more poverty, which it will."

But you're right. Mostly he's just an unhinged narcissist.


Truth.

He's taken both sides of a multitude of issues.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:26 pm

Other than the fact that it's mandated by the constitution, in what sense is opposition to birthright citizenship an extreme position ? Most countries did away with it years ago.

You'd be surprised at the number of Nigerian families I've seen in the course of my job where one of the children has an American passport. It's a national tradition in Nigeria that any family who can afford the airfare travel to the US during the final weeks of pregnancy to make sure their child gets one.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:38 pm

Sassenach wrote:Other than the fact that it's mandated by the constitution, in what sense is opposition to birthright citizenship an extreme position ? Most countries did away with it years ago.


Trump has used it like a cudgel. He's even retweeted something that suggested Rubio may not be eligible.

The problem is that none of Trump's supporters care what he says or does. He today bragged (again) about being able to kill someone without losing support.

Sadly, it's true.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:41 pm

Ah, so the issue is not so much citizenship rights per se as eligibility to run for President ?
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 3:58 pm

Sassenach wrote:Ah, so the issue is not so much citizenship rights per se as eligibility to run for President ?


Si.

Btw, that's why it's not a campaign-type of issue.
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Post 29 Feb 2016, 1:54 pm

And if anyone was wondering what kind of guy Chris Cristie is, his endorsement of Trump just showed you. A completely amoral, misanthropic, political opportunist. I look forward to the day he is out of office and we never have to hear his name again.
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Post 29 Feb 2016, 2:00 pm

I don't doubt the sincerity of your views on Christie George (you've stated them often enough), but I'm not really seeing how his decision to endorse Trump is 'amoral' or 'misanthropic'. That would imply that anybody who supports Trump is by definition an amoral misanthrope, which if true would seem to apply to about a quarter of the population. Seems like a bit of a reach to me.
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Post 29 Feb 2016, 2:27 pm

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Other than the fact that it's mandated by the constitution, in what sense is opposition to birthright citizenship an extreme position ? Most countries did away with it years ago


Being opposed to the literal meaning of the Constitution is an extreme position within the conservative movement.
Even if people don't understand it...
And, sass, using the rest of the world to measure what Americans think of as extreme ? Say on gun control? Abortion rights? health care? I don't think the metric works... as much as maybe it should.
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Post 29 Feb 2016, 2:31 pm

You're the one who called it extreme, and you're not American.

As it happens though, I misunderstood what Trump was on about. I assumed that he'd been arguing against the concept of birthright citizenship per se (which is certainly not an extreme position), but it would seem that he's just banging on about eligibility to run for President.
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Post 29 Feb 2016, 2:40 pm

He was a leading Birther after all...
Internet conspiracies die slowly, if at all...