Doctor Fate wrote:danivon wrote:Doctor Fate wrote:North Carolina. Who voted for it? Was it the right-wing, or 60% of the voters?
Who proposed it. Who campaigned for it. Who raised the money for the campaign?
It seems you are avoiding the basic question, because you know that Republican politicians had a hand in it somewhere.
Because it's irrelevant. Who voted for it?
Either you don't get my point, or you are avoiding it. You say that it's all the media and the Democrats making a big issue out of the Republicans' social conservatism, trapping them into saying dumb stuff?
So, if that's the case, who is it that pushes ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage?
If it is Republican social conservatives, then surely they are themselves helping to make these things big issues.
Let's say you're right. Let's say she's telling the truth.
So, for the exception, every single woman should have her birth control covered?
Actually, the thing on this issue is becoming clear to me. It's not the policy stance that turned women off. It was the reactionary leap to attack Fluke for speaking out.
By the way, my answer is 'yes'. For the one thing, it is a very good way to prevent abortions. However, what is interesting is not the position that you and the Republicans have taken, it's the way it's expressed.
Why didn't her friend testify? Btw, since it was not actually a Congressional hearing, was she under oath? Did she testify honestly when she said that 65% of the students at GU were "interrogated?" Was she telling the truth when she said birth control costs $1K a year?
Here we go again. Rather than listen, it's a load of questions to undermine her as a person. A few lines ago you wrote "Let's say she's telling the truth.". That lasted how long?
Perhaps had the Republicans on the committee had accepted her as a witness, they could have cross-examined her, and asked those questions, or got some research done. Instead, they denied her as she's no 'expert'. Chance gone, so hey, let's blame
her and assume she's a dirty lying liberal like we know they all are.
I don't know why her friend wasn't there. Frankly, I don't see why it's relevant, or why the fact she's talking about someone else makes it open season to call her (Fluke) a slut. If you have evidence that her figures were wrong, please present it.
I repeat, I really do think that the attitude displayed to her by the Republicans in Congress (go away, little woman, men have important stuff to decide about women here), and by people who, like you, are going for her personally is part of the reason why a lot of moderate voters, particularly women, are finding it hard to support the Republicans.
I guess the problem is that while many will gleefully join in a slut-shaming, and proclaim their morality on such issues, and cheer on the social conservative stances of some Republicans, a lot of people will not be so vocal. Doesn't mean they are not taking good notice, and forming opinions.
And while it may score points to attack the messenger, and for Rush to call her a slut or for you to call her a socialist, it's a pretty shoddy way to discuss the issues.
Unless, to you, it's more important that employers and insurers be able to impose their morality than it is to ensure that everyone has the same access to healthcare.
Nope, and I don't like the Federal government imposing its morality on me either.
Don't claim for birth control then. They aren't making you take it. They aren't making women take it. They are saying that it should be part of standard healthcare plans (as one part of a section about women's health, mainly preventive). When it's included in healthcare plans, they are
cheaper, so it's not a case of forcing people to buy something they don't want. If they don't want it, they can still take the coverage and never use it.