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Post 07 Nov 2024, 3:38 pm

I was surprised that the electoral count rose to the level it did. A bigger surprise to me was the popular vote going to Trump.

I am wondering what the Democratic leadership sees as the reason for the catastrophe of an election. I have never seen "The View" before. I must admit that I viewed "The View" on Wednesday, and was shocked at Sonny Hostin's response that white uneducated women were at fault for voting the wrong way. Having gotten that show checked off of my bucket list I do not have to see that anymore.

Other reasons I have heard:
Not enough time for Harris to get her message out
Biden caused this with his "Garbage" comment
A "Stupid" electorate
America is misogynistic

I am sure there are others. The one thing I have not heard is that this is a repudiation of policies under Biden. There is not an acceptance that this could have been caused by being more left that a majority of Americans.

I truly wish to hear what others see as the reason for this epic Democratic failure. As of the time of this writing the House has not been resolved. I see it going Republican also. I believe Alito and Thomas should place the retirement letter shortly as well.
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Post 08 Nov 2024, 7:00 am

I think that it mostly because Harris did not repudiate any of Biden's policies. She gave those policies a much prettier face, but the reality is that Americans hold Biden responsible for inflation and over the top illegal immigration. Harris needed to distance herself from at least some of that, but she distanced herself from none of that.

I live in a liberal part of the country and have mostly liberal friends. They are trying to get their head around the policy issues as opposed to "voters are stupid", but they find it challenging. (I've had the same conversation with them for 15 years or so.) Liberal elites (in all honesty, many of my friends) are insulated from inflation and illegal immigration so they don't see why the working class is so frustrated.

Trump is one of the most disgusting people in the world as far as I'm concerned. Most conservatives that I know agree with that but still voted for him. That's a testament to the weakness of Democratic policies. Sane people are willing to vote for Trump even with his extensive personal garbage.
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Post 09 Nov 2024, 6:58 pm

Every person working for the horrible Democratic National Committee needs to resign. They won't, and the Democratic party will not, and cannot be reformed, into something that represents the will of most voters. It really wasn't Kamala's fault. She did well, but she listened to the morons at the DNC, messaging, and so wasn't real. People see that. They want someone who is genuine, not focus-grouped. The democratic party is full of some terrible people, and it spreads from there.

The beatdown was epic. There isn't a neighborhood in NYC of all places where Trump didn't improve over his 2020 election, and the places where he gained the most are hispanic and asian neighborhoods. 10-20 points, not small improvements, but huge, and it was like that across the country.

There are important lessons here. We'll just see who learns from this.
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Post 09 Nov 2024, 11:54 pm

EDITED except for the endorsement of Brad over Trump because at least he is a patriot who will look out for America's interests and Trump is neither.
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Post 10 Nov 2024, 6:09 am

Thank you for the endorsement! :grin:
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Post 10 Nov 2024, 3:02 pm

I see this as a rejection of the progressive sector of the Democratic party. It has become mainstream in the Dems party. Compared to the extreme conservative sector of the Republican party, the independents swung hard to the right.

The fact that Hispanics supported Trump and the Republicans so heavily shows that the border needs to have LEGAL immigration, and this would be supported more than unfettered access.

There is an Conservative opportunity here, as long as the economy can improve, border becomes more secure, crime decreases, and social issues return to a more mainstream balance. Let's not overreach.

JD Vance versus which Dem in 2028?

BTW, if there is a report of internment camps, dictatorship, or removal of elections to keep the current party in power, please let me know.
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 12:41 pm

"BTW, if there is a report of internment camps, dictatorship, or removal of elections to keep the current party in power, please let me know"

The illegality has begun...

"Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner. Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY! Additionally, no Judges should be approved during this period of time because the Democrats are looking to ram through their Judges as the Republicans fight over Leadership. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU!"
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 3:11 pm

It is not illegal, but it does violate the Senate rules. Am I missing anything? You are a lawyer, Freeman. What law is being violated?

For the record, I do not think Trump should not currently try to control the Congress. Recommendation at time of Presidency is fine, but trying to sway policy is before needs not be recognized. If Congress (EITHER SIDE!) cannot find the backbone to stand up to the Executive, then they get what they deserve.
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 4:27 pm

Why bother with the Senate consent clause when you can just do ALL your appointments through recess appointments. Yes, I certainly think that would be unconstitutional. The recess appointment clause was never intended to be used that way. I don't know what you mean by backbone of either party. Will Republicans stand up to Trump or not? The three candidates for majority leader all say they will go along with it...

The only thing standing between Trump accruing unprecedented power are Repub pols and 6 conservative Supreme Court justices. Those are the guardrails at this point. It's not off to a good start. Basically, Trump can put ridiculous people into his cabinet and the Senate will have no say...like say Elon Musk as the economic efficiency expert. Elon Musk who wants to cut 2 trillion from budget (presumably slashing social security/medicare).

I don't want to overstate this; we'll see if Repubs/SC have more backbone on more significant matters.
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 4:38 pm

Legislative v Executive... A problem for decades. Caused by weakness from both sides when it doesn't help their side.

Nothing new here...
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 4:47 pm

Old habits die hard, don't they, Freeman? Still renting space in your head to the Donald.

Can't say anything about the loss and what Dems need to do to change? Perhaps you still are of the opinion that the policies are fine, and the repudiation of the Democratic was just a fluke? Hopefully so, because in four more years, the same thing will happen with Vance.
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 5:54 pm

When you use TDS that's an ad hominem argument,, Brad. And you keep doing it. Respect for a person you're debating includes not using ad hominem arguments, I think. Am I wrong? Anyway, changes? First, we need to make sure the election wasn't messed with. Nothing wrong with checking things. Otherwise, don't run a black woman because the results were absurd. There is no way a man with Trump's absurd list of negatives should have beaten someone with Harris's credentials. I'm not a huge fan of Harris but she beat Trump at the debate and ran a reasonably good campaign. And came in as the VP of an admin with an economy that was sizzling: record stock market,high GDP, low unemployment, low inflation. So either we need to fight better the disinformation that is flooding the country and/or simply America will not elect a black woman at this point and probably not a woman. It's sad. We should have been able to run on an objectively successful admin but guess that wasn't good enough.
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 6:00 pm

By the way, Tom Homan was just named as Trump's border czar. He is a co-author of Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation blueprint for Trump's admin that Trump denied knowledge of...
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 7:22 pm

Firstly, Freeman; I apologize..It was not intended as an ad hominem attack. I do not think that just because a person is a Democrat that they have TDS. I make no such comments to George. I made the comment because that is all that you seem to produce. Nonetheless, I apologize and meant no ill will. I truly wanted to hear your input about the Democratic election loss, not how much Trump is doing things that you do not like.

I truly hope one day I will be in your area and we can have a hard cider together. My treat!

Do you really think the Dems problem was running a "black woman"? Do you think the issue is racism? I believe that is Sunny Hostin's viewpoint as well. America is racist in her opinion. If that is the case, why did more people vote conservative than 4 years before?

What statistically is showing you that America is more racist today than when Biden was elected? With more Blacks and Hispanics voting for Trump comparatively than 4 years before, you would think America is becoming LESS racist.

Anyway, I would like to hear if I am understanding you correctly.

Personally (and I have said it before), it was the policy extremism. Border security, Crime perceptions, and Social extremism against the norms of culture.
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Post 11 Nov 2024, 7:54 pm

No worries. No apology necessary. If you are around LA sometime we can get a beer. I'll try to stick to Twitter for my political ramblings, anyway.