http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-arrested
Oh. Next someone will tell us professional wrestling is fixed.
danivon wrote:Why not? It would provide not only the drama of the final days of a campaign and teams managing to "escape" the drop, but then the following season the prospect of new underdogs coming in to take on the big guys.Doctor Fate wrote:TV would never allow it, but I think it would be terrific.
But yeah, the franchise and farming systems, as well as entrenched moneyed interests will stop it. And they sell the thing to the TV companies.
GMTom wrote:I agree with much of the above, however, I take exception to the NFL example. Yes the patriots were able to rest some players the last game and every so often you find that happen, but in a 16 game season, every game is especially "keen"! one sixteenth of your season rests on each game, that is pretty damned intense all alone. The NFL is absolutely the best sport as far as playoffs go and how much each game means.
Doctor Fate wrote:danivon wrote:Why not? It would provide not only the drama of the final days of a campaign and teams managing to "escape" the drop, but then the following season the prospect of new underdogs coming in to take on the big guys.Doctor Fate wrote:TV would never allow it, but I think it would be terrific.
Because of one word: playoffs.
danivon wrote:So, we have a League champion, an FA Cup champion and a League Cup champion. The latter is not really much of a prize compared to the others, but still provides a bit of excitement.
British understatement. Mind you, for the big teams, the League Cup is a bit of a bore and can be a distraction (they often put out reserve/youth teams in early rounds as they are midweek games between weekend Premiership matches). But yeah, for the likes of Swansea City and Bradford City it's a big deal and a great day out to Wembley.Doctor Fate wrote:danivon wrote:So, we have a League champion, an FA Cup champion and a League Cup champion. The latter is not really much of a prize compared to the others, but still provides a bit of excitement.
Well, I'm sure that for fans of the team and residents of the town, it's more than a "bit." :)
I think so too. And a parallel cup competition means teams in lower divisions still get to play the big guys (and will be out to get a shock win).I would love to see ANY American league have the guts to start relegation. Would it be hard in the beginning? Yes. Would the payoff be worth it? I think so.
Maybe, or they just die out (or fall all the way out of professional leagues) like teams have done in the past.I remember the Clippers being the laughingstock of the sports world for decades. I think being relegated would have forced a change in ownership which would have revitalized the franchise long before it happened.
we still have had teams move. Arsenal moved from South East London (Woolwich) to the North (Highbury) about 100 years ago. That was only about 10 miles and it's all forgotten now, but then we had one "franchise" move recently, when Wimbledon moved 80 miles away to Milton Keynes and renamed themselves the MK Dons. This was very unpopular and still is (outside Milton Keynes). A mate of mine was a supporter and he was involved in the website when the fans founded a new Wimbledon team, and those guys are very bitter about it.I also have to believe the European system promotes a team's ties to its city/town/city section. In the US, the easy solution to losing popularity is to move. What if that wasn't an option? I suppose the team would have to improve . . . or keep getting relegated--from the majors to single A.
In the UK, 100 miles is a long way away, and 100 years is recent. In the US, 100 miles is just down the road and 100 years is ancient times...GMTom wrote:Cross posted with Danivon. Funny how he points out a move of a mere 10 miles seems to have meant something, even the team that moved 80 miles, for most of our cities that would be a move from one distant suburb to one on the other side of that same market. I go to Buffalo Bills games, we are part of their market area, it's about 70 miles from my house (and I am on the closer side of town).
We can dream...Sassenach wrote:It's difficult to see how a newly promoted team could ever hope to gain competitiveness quickly enough to avoid immediate relegation if such a system were ever adopted in the NFL. Everything is set up around the closed shop system. All the top players get drafted by NFL teams. You'd have to completely change the entire way that player recruitment works because otherwise whichever team went down from the NFL would still be infinitely superior to the team that replaced them. It would need the current franchises to firstly allow teams from lower levels to enter the draft (and good luck persuading the best college players to sign for a non-NFL team) and secondly to agree to a certain amount of revenue sharing with the lower tiers to allow them to be competitive. Neither of these things is ever going to happen so it's a non-starter really.
Nope, not complaining either - and the Swiss authorities are on it as well now. Our FA are also happy to support these investigations as they have been complaining for years.Sassenach wrote:God bless America It took the FBI to bring down the crooked world of professional cycling and the same is now set to happen to the inconceivably more crooked world of professional football. It's a bit of a sorry state of affairs that it would take the law enforcement resources of a nation that doesn't really give a damn about the sport to bring this about, but I'm not complaining.