zurn wrote:What ended up happening though, is an ACDEEEE alliance voted in three of the E's. They didn't fight each other because they knew only 3 of them would win. (Heck, outsiders voted for them too.) Why is this different for the AB powers as a whole? I mean, it might legitimately be different, I'm just wondering.
Also, yes, most people would prefer a smaller coalition, I'm rather counting on that (the greed that splits alliances).
The ACDEEEE alliance did not start at the beginning of the game. As I understand it, these changes to the victory conditions are partially to remove the possibility of such alliances forming at the start. In this case (and it's only one case remember), the ACDEEEE was actually two alliances that joined forces late in the game. It was actually an ACDE alliance plus an EEE alliance. My argument here is primarily that under these proposed changes, such large alliances are more likely to form at the beginning of the game, and less likely to break as the game goes on.
As for the AB powers, in my experience both as a player and GM, the large nations tend to view each other as primary enemies. In the last game, we saw China and USA nuking the heck out of each other while the EEE alliance in Africa quietly prospered. The reason the AB nations view each other as enemies is primarily because they know how hard it is to win together, so someone is inevitably going to have be removed or at least reduced. If we change the rules as proposed, it would actually become easier for the large nations to win together, reducing or even removing the concerns that they must stab one another at some point. This, in my opinion, would create an atmosphere where the large nations would have little incentive to fight one another. This variant, because of its military imbalance, needs that incentive in order to keep things fair for the smaller nations.
Ultimately, I do not think that the original proposal was intended to allow such a coalition anyway, but that then brings me back to the question of why should the game allow an EEEEE coalition and not an ABBB coalition? If the point is to make it so that more people can win if they play well, why should 5 small nations be able to win but not 4 large nations?